{"id":55,"date":"2026-05-24T22:07:44","date_gmt":"2026-05-24T22:07:44","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/americanservicereview.com\/?p=55"},"modified":"2026-05-24T22:07:44","modified_gmt":"2026-05-24T22:07:44","slug":"when-if-ever-its-appropriate-to-make-jokes-take-selfies-or-curse-before-the-court","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/americanservicereview.com\/?p=55","title":{"rendered":"When (if ever) it\u2019s appropriate to make jokes, take selfies, or curse before the court"},"content":{"rendered":"<div>\n<p>During  last month in <em>Mullin v. Doe<\/em>, attorney Geoffrey Pipoly said something I won\u2019t repeat to my kids. The remark came when Pipoly, who represents Haitian nationals challenging the Trump administration\u2019s effort to revoke their deportation protections, highlighted President Donald Trump\u2019s past comments on Haiti. The president, Pipoly said, has shown \u201cbare dislike of Haitians\u201d and called Haiti a \u201cshithole country.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Read more <a href=\"https:\/\/americanservicereview.com\/?p=54\">Court rules freight brokers can face negligent hiring suits under state law<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Pipoly was not randomly swearing, of course. He was repeating Trump\u2019s own words. Still, I was intrigued by his decision to say them, especially after Justice Sonia Sotomayor had chosen to say \u201cs-hole country\u201d earlier in the argument when referencing the same quote.<\/p>\n<p>For the rest of the discussion \u2013 and for days after it ended \u2013 I wondered about the courtroom protocol on swearing and how much of what happens before the justices can be explained by formal courtroom rules. Earlier this week, I finally had time to dig deeper, and discovered the court\u2019s , which outlines dos and don\u2019ts for the attorneys who argue before the Supreme Court.<\/p>\n<p>While the guide is meant for people who participate in oral arguments \u2013 not those who merely observe them \u2013 I found that it serves both audiences well. What\u2019s more, it explains what the court is hoping to accomplish during an argument and gives a sense of how the court sees itself as an institution.<\/p>\n<p>So here\u2019s a brief overview of what I learned from the court\u2019s Guide for Counsel about swearing, taking selfies, and the types of answers the justices like best.<\/p>\n<p><strong>On addressing the justices<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>Under the present practice, \u201cMr.\u201d is only used in addressing the Chief Justice. Others are referred to as \u201cJustice Thomas,\u201d \u201cJustice Kagan,\u201d or \u201cYour Honor.\u201d Do not use the title \u201cJudge.\u201d<\/em> (Guide for Counsel, pg. 5)<\/p>\n<p>Allow me to begin with an obvious point: a Supreme Court argument is not a casual affair. The justices wear black robes, the attorneys are to  \u201cconservative business dress in traditional dark colors,\u201d and no one is to be referred to by their first name.<\/p>\n<p>In fact, as the Guide for Counsel makes clear, attorneys should only use a few specific titles to refer to the justices: Mr. Chief Justice for Chief Justice John Roberts and \u201cYour Honor\u201d or \u201cJustice [Last Name]\u201d for the rest.<\/p>\n<p>Longtime court followers may recall that it was once common for attorneys to mix up Justices Sandra Day O\u2019Connor and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the first two women on the court. The guide includes some advice for attorneys who risk making such an error: \u201cIf you are in doubt about the name of a Justice who is addressing you, it is better to use \u2018Your Honor\u2019 than to address the Justice by another Justice\u2019s name.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>As you might imagine, these formal titles sometimes trip up attorneys, but in my memory, the justices rarely dwell on such mistakes. For example, during the <em>Mullin<\/em> argument, Pipoly stumbled at the beginning of a response to Roberts, saying \u201cJustice \u2013 Chief Justice \u2013 Mr. Chief Justice. My apologies.\u201d \u201cWhatever,\u201d Roberts replied.<\/p>\n<p><strong>On navigating interruptions<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>Never interrupt a Justice who is addressing you. \u2026 If you are speaking and a Justice interrupts you, cease talking immediately and listen<\/em>. (Guide for Counsel, pg. 9)<\/p>\n<p>Roberts is less accepting of other norm violations, including when attorneys fail to heed the court\u2019s guidance on interruptions. While justices can \u2013 and regularly do \u2013 cut off counsel mid-answer, attorneys are not to interject when a justice is speaking.<\/p>\n<p>Instead, according to the guide, an attorney is to give their \u201cfull time and attention\u201d to a justice raising a question (\u201cdo not look down at your notes, and do not look at your watch or at the clock located high on the wall behind the Justices\u201d) and is not to begin responding until the justice is finished speaking. The attorney also must \u201ccease talking immediately and listen\u201d when a justice interrupts them, even if that means leaving a sentence unfinished.<\/p>\n<p>Roberts appeared to enforce this rule during the oral argument in January in <em>Trump v. Cook<\/em>, a case on whether Trump can fire Lisa Cook, a member of the Federal Reserve\u2019s Board of Governors, while Cook\u2019s challenge to her removal plays out. After U.S. Solicitor General D. John Sauer spoke over Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, Roberts cut in to say \u201cCounsel \u2013 please allow the justice &#8230;,\u201d prompting Sauer to say \u201cI\u2019m sorry.\u201d (But don\u2019t take this apology to mean that Sauer is done interrupting \u2013 he\u2019s become known for being slow to cede the floor despite Roberts\u2019 strict enforcement of this provision.)<\/p>\n<p><strong>On answering questions<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>Make every effort to answer questions directly. If at all possible, say \u201cyes\u201d or \u201cno,\u201d and then expand upon your answer if you wish. If you do not know the answer, say so.<\/em> (Guide for Counsel, pg. 11)<\/p>\n<p>Perhaps because interruptions are common, the guide advises attorneys to offer clear, direct answers, to respond with \u201cyes\u201d or \u201cno\u201d whenever possible, and to \u201c[b]e prepared to skip over much of your planned argument and stress your strongest points.\u201d It also instructs them not to \u201cstonewall\u201d when a justice \u201cmakes a point that is adverse to\u201d their position, and to, instead, \u201cconcede the point\u201d or explain why it does not lose them the case.<\/p>\n<p>Read more <a href=\"https:\/\/americanservicereview.com\/?p=52\">Justice Clarence Thomas reflects on shared values and his \u201cdeeper\u201d friendships on a past court<\/a><\/p>\n<p>I can think of several times during recent arguments when justices called out an attorney for failing to directly answer a question, often because they launched into a lengthy preamble rather than facing the question head on. For example, in <em>Chatrie v. United States<\/em>, a case on whether geofence warrants violate the Fourth Amendment, Justice Neil Gorsuch expressed frustration when an attorney failed to offer a clear \u201cyes\u201d or \u201cno.\u201d \u201cI just want an answer to my hypotheticals,\u201d Gorsuch said.<\/p>\n<p>As to the final part of the quote I included above, attorneys do seem to be willing (at least occasionally) to admit when they can\u2019t answer a question. As I read through this term\u2019s transcripts while working on this article, I found several instances when an attorney said some variation of \u201cI don\u2019t know.\u201d Perhaps most notably, in the birthright citizenship case, <em>Trump v. Barbara<\/em>, Sauer acknowledged his uncertainty when Gorsuch asked if tribal members are birthright citizens. \u201cI\u2019m not sure,\u201d Sauer said. \u201cI have to think that through.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>On cracking jokes<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>Attempts at humor usually fall flat. The same is true of attempts at familiarity.<\/em> (Guide for Counsel, pg. 10)<\/p>\n<p>In addition to advising attorneys to stick to direct answers, the Guide for Counsel recommends against getting too cute. Attorneys, the guide explains, shouldn\u2019t try to crack jokes or win points with the justices by treating them like old buddies.<\/p>\n<p>As subscribers to our SCOTUStoday newsletter already know, that doesn\u2019t mean that Supreme Court oral arguments are humorless affairs. In the newsletter, we regularly highlight funny moments from the courtroom. But most of them feature jokes from the justices, not attorneys.<\/p>\n<p>When an attorney does get a laugh, it\u2019s typically not because they chased one, but, instead, because they acknowledged losing their train of thought or said something unexpected. The biggest exception is Lisa Blatt, a prominent Supreme Court advocate who is known for pushing the envelope with her argument style. Blatt appears to relish opportunities to make a funny observation, such as in <em>T.M. v. University of Maryland Medical System Corp.<\/em>, a case on the relationship between state and federal courts, when she predicted what the court <em>wouldn\u2019t<\/em> do.<\/p>\n<p>\u201c&#8230; [S]o no, you\u2019re not going to overrule [the <em>Rooker-Feldman<\/em> doctrine]. I mean, sorry, I don\u2019t think you\u2019re going to do that,\u201d she said. \u201cNot in an April case. Not happening.\u201d Justice Samuel Alito elicited further laughter with his response: \u201cDon\u2019t \u2013 don\u2019t dare my colleagues.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Paul Clement also stands out for being willing to engage in more casual banter. During the <em>Cook<\/em> argument, for example, he used the phrase \u201cfull Taft\u201d three times to refer to President William Howard Taft\u2019s approach to removing officials.<\/p>\n<p>Comments like these may make portions of the argument more memorable to the justices, but that certainly doesn\u2019t mean all attorneys should ignore the guide\u2019s advice on humor. To go \u201cfull Blatt\u201d or \u201cfull Clement\u201d \u2013 if you\u2019re not Blatt or Clement \u2013 is to risk annoying or even insulting them.<\/p>\n<p><strong>On celebrating the occasion<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>The quill pens at counsel table are gifts to you\u2014a souvenir of your having argued before the highest Court in the land. Take them with you.<\/em> (Guide for Counsel, pg. 4)<\/p>\n<p>An opportunity to argue before the Supreme Court is a big deal, but attorneys are a bit limited in how they can mark the occasion. As the Guide for Counsel notes, they can\u2019t invite everyone they know to watch them in action (\u201cThe Marshal, depending on available space, will endeavor to accommodate as many of your guests as possible\u2014not exceeding six spaces per side.\u201d) and they also can\u2019t take a selfie or pose for pictures at the podium (\u201cNo personal computers, cellular phones, cameras, or other electronic\/wireless devices are allowed in the Courtroom\u201d).<\/p>\n<p>But attorneys do get to bring home a unique souvenir: quill pens. These items, featuring white goose feathers, sit on the counsel table and serve as a callback \u201cto the early 1800s, when Chief Justice John Marshall provided lawyers with quill pens and inkwells to take notes.\u201d In 2017, the ABA Journal investigated what modern attorneys do with these pens and noted that Blatt, at least at that time, displayed all of hers in her office; others framed theirs and passed them down to their kids.<\/p>\n<p><strong>So what about swearing?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>Avoid emotional oration and loud, impassioned pleas.<\/em> (Guide for Counsel, pg. 10)<\/p>\n<p>Let us end where we began: with swearing. I discovered the Supreme Court\u2019s Guide for Counsel when trying to determine whether attorneys can curse during oral arguments, but it didn\u2019t actually answer my question. The resource says nothing about using profanity, although it does advise against being too \u201cemotional\u201d or \u201cimpassioned.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>To perhaps state the obvious, I think it\u2019s fair to conclude that attorneys shouldn\u2019t typically involve swear words in their argument, but that they can curse when repeating a direct quote \u2013 as Pipoly did \u2013 or when swear words are core to the case, such as in trademark disputes or cases on FCC regulations.<\/p>\n<p>One case of particular note: In 1971\u2019s <em>Cohen v. California<\/em>, Chief Justice Warren Burger discouraged swearing in a comment to the attorney arguing on behalf of a man who was convicted for \u201cdisturbing the peace by wearing a jacket that said \u2018Fuck the Draft.\u2019\u201d \u201cI might suggest to you that, as in most cases, the Court\u2019s thoroughly familiar with the factual setting of this case, and it won\u2019t be necessary for you, I\u2019m sure, to dwell on the facts,\u201d Burger said. But the attorney, Melville Nimmer, repeated the phrase anyway \u2013 and ultimately prevailed in the case. As Justice John Marshall Harlan II wrote in the majority opinion, \u201cwhile the particular four-letter word being litigated here is perhaps more distasteful than most others of its genre, it is nevertheless often true that one man&#8217;s vulgarity is another&#8217;s lyric.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Read more <a href=\"https:\/\/americanservicereview.com\/?p=50\">Court denies Virginia\u2019s request to reinstate congressional map that would benefit Democrats<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>During last month in Mullin v. Doe, attorney Geoffrey Pipoly said something I won\u2019t repeat to my kids. The remark came when Pipoly, who represents Haitian nationals challenging the Trump administration\u2019s effort to revoke their deportation protections, highlighted President Donald Trump\u2019s past comments on Haiti. 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